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Location:

North Salt Lake,UT,

Member Since:

Dec 12, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Olympic Trials Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

1500m - 3:59.9h (2014)

5000m - 14:53.45 (Portland Track Festival 2014)

8k XC - 25:09 (Sundodger 2011)

10k XC - 31:31 (WWU Invite 2011)

HM - 1:10:19 (Houston 2018)

Marathon - 2:28:39 (Houston 2019)

Long-Term Running Goals:

Olympic Trials Qualifier

Personal:

Married, working, training. While my wife has nixed all future attempts to grow glorious mustaches, she has been supportive of my crazy running dreams. Life is good.

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Miles:This week: 2.80 Month: 31.50 Year: 32.50
Mizuno Ekiden Lifetime Miles: 274.65
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Flyknit VFs Lifetime Miles: 80.50
Ride 14 Lifetime Miles: 652.85
Ride 15 Lifetime Miles: 275.80
Ride 15 X2 Lifetime Miles: 53.00
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PM - Well, this workout went better than expected. I went to the indoor track tonight for a 4xmile workout, expecting to hit maybe 5:05-5:10 pace.

After I warmed up, I got to work and ran the first one in 5:07. It felt very easy. I messed up the pace on a couple of middle laps, but 3 of the 5 laps were at 5:00 pace, so I went for that on the second one.

#2 was a little bit tougher, but I hit the line in 5:00, running fairly even splits and feeling relaxed the whole way.

#3 I could start to feel the legs gunking up (that's the technical term for it) but was able to hit 5:00 again. It was harder than #2 and I thought I'd stop there, but I took a little bit of extra rest before #4 and gave it a go.

#4 was difficult after lap 1, but still, I felt fairly relaxed through 3 laps of it. I fell off pace on lap 4 (53 seconds, or just under 80 second quarter pace) but gave it a little kick over the final lap and finished in 5:00.

Overall, a difficult run, 5:00 is probably a little bit faster than my 5k pace. But this was much better than I expected. I feel a little more comfortable about the 8:50 3k I told Eyestone I am going to run in December.

1 - 5:07 (4:00 rest)

2 - 5:00 (4:00 rest)

3 - 5:00 (5:00 rest)

4 - 5:00

To put this in perspective, I ran a 4x1600m workout a little before my 5k pr in 4:52, 4:57, 4:50, 4:50 (I think, I'm too lazy to actually look it up) with consistent 4:00 rests. In mile terms it would look more like 4:54, 4:59, 4:52, 4:52.... obviously I'm not there now, but I'm closer than I expected.

Later PM - Added the usual 4, very easy. The legs are pretty sore, I'm getting a little heat in the Achilles, I'll slap some ice on it tonight.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Comments
From Phoenix on Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:53:00

Tyler,

That's a great workout. Your 5k time and mile repeats really suggest you should be able to run sub 8:50.

Just a couple of pointers you probably already know:

1) When you amp up the speed work, you need to keep you mileage up, but a large chunk of it will need to be slower, some if down-right jogging. This should be obvious, but I seen many, many smart runners get compulsive and try to run there mileage quick the day after a difficult track session.

2) Don't fall in love with the long run. Another mistake that internet junkies in particular make. You absolutely need one for the marathon and they have value in a pure base phase, but right now, with your mileage level, it will hurt you more then help you. Keep your long run limited to 60 minutes. If you need more mileage go out again at the end of the day (65-70 is a good plan I think). A 1:01 half-marathoner who also ran well under 8 minutes for 3k gave me this advice once and I can vouch for it. The entire Moroccan training system (and others) is based on this concept. Right now, your sweet spot for runs is 40-60 minutes. So, run 2 x per day and try to keep them in this range. 30 is okay if you are really needing recovery.

3) You need some good old speed work (rep work in Daniel's speak). 8:45 is 70 seconds per 400 so you need to feel very, very comfortable running 70s. Great workouts for this are 4 x 400 fast but in control with 5-8 minute recoveries (your trying to build muscle and neural power, not the cardiovascular system, so 5 minutes for recovery is the minumum). You can go 4-8 200 with a similar format. I also really like 800, 400, 200, 200 (I did this one a lot in ~2:05, 56, 25, 25).

I predominantly raced 800 and 1500 but never raced the 3k. I wished I would have and feel like I could have run ~8:25-8:30 when I was at my best. Most my road racing came in the off-season when I wasn't as fit.

From tyler on Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 23:10:15

Phoenix,

That's a great post, thank you! I hadn't thought about the long run much, I've just done it because everyone does one. Now that I think about it, I've

I've got about 4 weeks till the first race, and you're right that I need some good speedwork. I'm a little injury prone at the faster paces, so I'm holding off until I get my legs used to workouts again. I could hardly walk today, my calves were so sore from this workout.

You've got some great pr's, how long have you been out of college?

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